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Pro-Choice..Woman's Choice

If you think women should have a choice about abortions then you are at the right place. Feel free to tell stories or just leave a comment. I would really like a banner! I started this wiki because I feel that every woman should have the choice. I am also going to have a page for "pro-lifers" to have a say, but first we need more people to join! I will have pictures of the March in DC, the largest humans right march in the world! 1.2 MILLION! please leave a comment on why you are pro-choice!

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[Vampire Mariam] I believe women should have the right to do what they think is right when the get pregnant. I know some women who get pregnant by accident may not be able to raise a child, or want to raise a child. What if the condom broke? What if she got raped?...it is her choice....I AM NOT pro-abortion!!.....it is for the woman to decide!!!! not the goverment or any one else!

[Scooz] I must agree that women should be allowed to have abortions, but I do not like the ones that wait til they are 6 months along or more because by then the baby has had too much time to develop. But I have been raped before and if he would have gotten me pregnant and I could not abort his child, it would not have been a pretty picture. Do not bring a child into this world if you do not want it, because you are ruining their life and yours.

[Rondel] I have seen too many situations which could best be addressed by terminating the pregnancy, and have myself been through the procedure, including in a situation where the egg, though fertilized, did not develop; without that procedure, the hyperemesis which caused me to throw up every 15 minutes round the clock could not have been stopped -- and I would still have wound up miscarrying, because there was no developing embryo, just a "blighted ovum".
The worst, though, was a situation in which a relative of mine faced a back-alley abortion after an incestuous relationship forced on her by her adoptive step-father, in the days before abortion was legalized in the US. I will never be able to understand *anyone* who can claim that a person in that position should be constrained by law from terminating a pregnancy which has not yet produced a child.
Where there is no brain activity, human life is deemed to have ended, so I cannot consider it to have begun when the brain and nervous system have not yet formed and connected

[Kayne] abortion should be legal , what if you were a crack whore and you got pregnant by accicent ? do you think that child is going to be happy ? no . What if you were 16 and you had a accident ? do you think she will can take care of it ? probably not
abortion = legal!!!!!!!

[Delight] What drives me insane is that fact that the people who don't support abortion and wish to ban it also don't support the health care for the woman when she has her child, or even before. They dont fund the orphanage, or somewhere that can help her raise it. They dont fund the homeless shelters enough because if the woman has a child that she can not handle or afford, thats where she is going to end up. Its an idiodic thing to abolish abortion because freedom requires it, and also because there is nothing to help the people who are forced to have children because of it. The people who dont get to go to school because they had to leave to have and care for their child. When such occurs, if the woman does not marry a rich man, which is even more unlikely because she already has a kid (Atleast statistically), she will become a lower class member of society, whoooooo guess what peoples, is not supported well enough at all by a government that would abolish abortion.
If a woman were to die, if she would keep the child, or the child were to die. Is that okay? If they were to die of starvation or cold because they cannot now afford heat or food or clothes, is that okay? Is it alright for someone to make a decision for everyone else that makes them, instead of ridding themselves of an unwanted pregnancy, die from hunger or cold? Its an extreme version of the situation, but it does happen. I know that for a fact. So a painful misrable death, or a painless one? If you're personally religious, is that right in the eyes of your deity? If you're not, is that right in the eyes of your morals?
What if the woman was raped? What about keeping the child then. The psychological damages from that would be amazing. For both mother and child.
There is also the thing that the people who get rid of it in the first place are men.
Also, think. If a woman were to find out that she was going to have a child who was seriously retarted or disabled. Such to a point that the kid would not live past birth, or to a point that the kid would be absolutly misrable for their entire life, if they survived that long. Such to a point that if the parent died, they would end up in an institution of some kind. Is that alright? Does that make sense to have a child like that? Does it make sense to create someone who will have a horrible and misrable existance?
Lastly, why do they think that they can make such a decision for the rest of the world. Its amazingly stupid. Those who abolish it could just not have abortions themselves. Do they really have to take control of everone elses choice, or lack of? Do they really have the Right to make it so that no one else could have even the option of having an abortion?
Sorry about the rant, but its just how i feel about it, and was relieved to be able to write it down and get it all out.

[Dil*]:
This is a touchy subject that is not just black and white, there's alot of grays in it. Sure It's terrible to get rid of a unborn child, but wouldn't it be just as terrible if a child was born to parents who didn't really want them in the first place. They would grow up in a hellish environment with little love and maybe it would of been better if they weren't born. Young mothers are confused and sometimes not able to take care of a child properly as well. I also think women should have a bigger say in this issue, hell, guys don't have to carry the child around in their bloody stomachs. I'm not a religious person and i frankly don't care if you're religious or not, BUT...when peoiple try to bring religion into things like this, it's very irritating to me. If the woman wants the abortion and she's not religous, she doesn't need bloody religious fanatics parading around the abortion clinic. If they're not religious, they DO NOT care about your ideals and whatnot. It's their decision if they want to get an abortion and they have to live with the consequences. Oh well, I'm going to hell now, wait, I've come to that conclusion ages ago...don't mind me, i have a messed up sense of humor. (I'm an aetheist anyways, so i don't care)

[Veltzeh] (founder of Pro-Choice League)
In my opinion, abortion should be legal, offered free in hospitals and encouraged if the woman has the slightest doubt that she wouldn't want to have the baby. In today's over-populated world all children should be wanted and they shouldn't have to spend even a small part of their lives in orphanages living off of the society's money that could be used for something else. Yes, I realize my opinion is very harsh, but there it is.
Finally, a question to think about: Why are those who oppose abortion often religious fanatics who likely have never read even basic biology, while those who are pro-choice are often doctors and other educated people who know their biology, physiology and even ethics?

[Hermes322] I think that it's better to get an abortion done by a doctor, in an office as opposed to a back alley by a creepy guy who offers to show kids puppies.

[Icetigris] I believe that the only people who should even have a say in these laws are women. Men don't have to deal with it so they should stay out of it. Also, I find it ridiculous that people value the life of a 40-celled blastocyst over a thinking, truly living, conscious woman who can feel physical and emotional pain. That ball of cells has no more consciousness than a potato; potatoes don't have rights, so why should something cognitively equivalent have rights, just because it has human DNA? I was at the March for Women's Lives and saw a great sign pointing out an interesting parallel: in China, the government forces abortion, in the US, the government is trying to force women to have babies they don't want. In both situations, it's not whether or not the people want to kill the baby (as anti-choice people are wont to say), it's about whether or not women have a choice about what to do with their own bodies. Whatever happened to separation of church and state?

[FireGypsy] I have read over your opinions on pro-choice. I beleive the mother should have a choice. I also beleive that abortion should be legal, under certain conditions. If you were a victim of incest, if the baby has a fatal or developing fatal disease, If the baby HAS aquired a fatal disease from the mother, if either the baby or the mother or both will die during pregnancy or labor. Other than that they abortionist should tell that mother NO! Millions of Women every year have abortions simply because they cant afford the kid, their parents wont let them, they have been raped, or because they simply dont want one. Well if you cant afford one...you shouldnt have had sex. If you dont want one...you shouldnt have had sex. If the mother doesnt want the baby for reasons such as stated above then the mother should have the baby and give it up for adoption. Those doctors should say "No. maam you cannot kill that baby in you. That baby is in no danger and neither are you. You must have the baby and put it up for adoption if you dont want it that bad."

[Arbor] It is simply the choice for which I stand. Give me the CHOICE. If you are against abortion then keep your child. Do not try to make my decision for me; let me deal with the consequences.

[sophomoric] I've debated a long while whether or not I should put up my stance here, but I've concluded that perhaps I should. This is a page about choice, and none should question my stance lest they wish for their own to be put to question. I am in a position where there is significant moral confliction. To begin, I am a vegetarian. What does this have to do with pro-choice? A lot. Just because I have taken a moralistic position against something that I feel is wrong, does not mean that I, or anyone else have the right to impose this position on others. I believe that animals and babies should live, but I do not believe that it is a pick and choose situation. In order to follow an omnivorous diet, animals have to die, and this is a concept that people don't even blink an eye at most of the time.

Pregnant women (I will not call them mothers under such circumstances) that decide they should like to get an abortion are rather inversely viewed as evil and terrible individuals. That carries a double standard from a moralistic perspective. Therefore, it is my stance that I don't respect the arguments of any pro-choicers unless they don't have a moralistic double standard.

That may seem a little cold and heartless, but as I regard animals as highly as I do humans (higher in a wondrous variety of cases) I find it almost comical that people can use an argument of potential. We, as humans, have warped the course of nature more than any other creature, under the argument that this is our earth given to us from any variety of deities. If that is their argument, then fine, mine is that women were given their bodies from any number of deitical figures, and just as we have spoiled the earth, let them do to their body as they will; there are far worse ways a child could die, all of them taking place when they are aware of their own existence.

As for the adoption argument; the world is over-populated as it is, outlawing abortion would cause another massive rise in the population, by millions if previous figures hold true.

Conclusion: It truly IS a choice just as we all, invariably, have choices.

[Tolmeni] I think it's rather telling that most of the anti-abortion zealots are male, who will never suffer through a pregnancy or labor that threatens their life and the life of their child. I don't believe in abortions when the fetus is too far along, but when the life of the woman is in serious danger, or there is no chance of she or the baby having any hope of a positive life, or if the baby will be born addicted to illegal substances...I think abortion is a viable option.

[AbLam] Whether it is the right or wrong thing to do, it is still a choice. No one but the woman who is having the baby should be able to choose. I'm sorry, but there isn't a good excuse for outlawing women's right to choose. Period.

[P(e)Ta] NO-ONE but the woman involved had the right to make a decision as to whether or not she goes through with her pregnancy (especially not conservative twats who are male and will never know the pain of having to choose). However, abortion should not be used as a form of emergency contraception. Girls still have to be responsible, but the choice should still be there!

[bodhranbabe] What I hate are the bumper stickers that say, "Smile, your mother was pro-life!" I'm sorry, but my mother was pro-choice, and she chose to have me. Being pro-choice is just as much about the positive choice as it is the negative. It's about the option.

[a faerie tale] When they scream "murderer" at me because I'm Pro-Choice, I feel the panic rise in my throat. I want to run, I want to yell, "Not me! I'm a moral person. I'm trying to help!" Those people have a right, I guess. It's what they believe. So I've got to face it, and be strong-- . POC's, "products of conception", that's what we're supposed say. "tissue" "termination" But when that machine starts, it's not just "tissue" that's sucked out. It's life: potentially human life. And like the Buddhists, I believe in "reverence for life". That's why I'm a vegetarian. But I also believe that conception should be a blessing. My brother's wife: when she's pregnant she sings lullabies, she organizes everything she eats and drinks-- she makes herself a perfect vessel. But you can't order a woman to do that! Not by bullying! What makes those people out there think a person can be frightened into goodness? Oh, give it up for adoption, they say! How can a mother do that? Carry a baby under her heart for nine long months and then give it away? Once it grows and moves it's a part of you. Loved, the way you love your own knees, or your breasts. And does your responsibility end, if you hand it over? What about Lisa Steinberg's mother? Does she sleep nights, now? She thought her daughter was going to be given every advantage, not tortured to death. Even a good adoption-- suppose you're a concert violinist, and your baby goes to a family that's tone deaf, that thinks music is noise....? Who would want to live that life? Who would want to give a child that life?

Add your name to the list of pro-choice people

1. [Vampire Mariam]
2. [Kisama]
3. [brandi_080786]
4. [Kiss_Me_Bum]
5. [Mitsune]
6. [Carol Lynn]
7. [Pale-Suzie]
8. [Blackshire]
9. [sarah l b]
10. [minifer]
11. [Scooz]
12. [dimmu_borgir3212]
13. [Arbor]
14. [Lily~]
15. [Tidd3]
16. [Rondel]
17. [Nukleopatra]
18. [VorpalBlade910]
19. [ei33]
20. [Fallen_Angel_666]
21. [Tehrror]
22. [Project Elysium]
23. [kate katastrophe]
24. [Kayne]
25. [Glorybox.]
26. [Tormenta]
27. [deja vu, mi amor]
28. [Veltzeh]
29. [Your Christ Is Dead]
28. [Mania Rage]
29. [Delight]
30. [Davorah]
31. [x_bubblicious]
32. [Alfirin Lindlea]
33. [Christie Shadow]
34. [// Grace //.And..Bend]
35. [Carol Lynn]
36. [Furr]
37. [Dil*]
38. [Pyra]
39. [Yoruno]
40. [Magic Circle]
41. [sophomoric]
42. [Doormat]
43. [how about no?]
44. [Hermes322]
45. [Icetigris]
46. [Tiezu Star]
47. [Elrohir Elensar]
48. [God called in sick today]
49. [BrokenPromise7x]
50. [Pillowthief]
51. [Blue Raspberries and Grape Juice]
52. [Not Here!]
53. [My Chemical Erin]
54. [Sue Falkenkralle]
55. [Anduraja]
56. [Bullet with Butterfly Wings]
57. [JinXTheMoodieAl]
58. [Morrigon]
59. [tiragon]
60. [Nostradamia]
61. [Jinji-Chan]
62. [Hazel]
63. [to a new?]
64. [jojo-kun]
65. [Anon Y. Mous]
66. [CharlotteCrying]
67. [Lashinnian]
68. [Tolmeni]
69. [Rosie.]
70. [*~A Cure For Contempt~*]
71. [AbLam]
72. [P(e)Ta]
73. [bodhranbabe]
74. [kaomi]
75. [Yiwerra]
76. [Bad Wolf]
77. [I stabbith ye]
78. [Eldanár Oronar]
79. [a faerie tale]
80. [kay-chan]
81. [Hufflepuff Lolita]
82. [deranged-bugosh]
83. [Bad Wolf]
84. [Blue Raspberries and Grape Juice]
85. [Cenyre]

Not the church, not the state, only the women should decide their own fate!

Have a different opinion? Check out pro-life and Against Abortion League.

2004-06-06 [Blackshire]: hey am i the only guy here

2004-06-06 [Scooz]: I think so

2004-06-06 [Blackshire]: gawd lol

2004-06-06 [Scooz]: Well, pro-choice is mostly a chick thing, what do you expect? lol. And hey vampiregirl, you really want a banner?

2004-06-06 [Blackshire]: oh should i leave

2004-06-06 [Scooz]: No, I'm just saying, don't expect too many guys. I think it is good that guys voice there opinion on the matter as well, cuz women can't have babies on thier own.

2004-06-06 [Blackshire]: yeah i agree

2004-06-06 [Blackshire]: [Nukleopatra] my friend will join soon so I won't be the only guy here lol

2004-06-06 [Scooz]: Nice, atleast you won't be alone, lol

2004-06-06 [Blackshire]: but i don't really see people as gender anyway but he supports chioce too

2004-06-06 [Scooz]: Cool, he has my vote.

2004-06-06 [Blackshire]: vote of what

2004-06-06 [Scooz]: Just a saying. He has my vote to join

2004-06-06 [Blackshire]: oh ok

2004-06-06 [Vampire Mariam]: i really do want a banner!

2004-06-06 [Vampire Mariam]: thanks all for joining!!!!!!

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: i made a banner! or do you not like it?!?~?~

2004-06-06 [Blackshire]: oh no problem

2004-06-06 [Vampire Mariam]: cours i like it!!

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: you want more though!!?!?

2004-06-06 [Vampire Mariam]: if people want to make more, sure!

2004-06-06 [Scooz]: Np, I'll try to find some pictures and make ya some banners. And I don't mind the current banner, but I'll make more just for the sake of having something to do.

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: okay.. well you keep my self-esteem up even though we ahve diff. opinions on this subject!

2004-06-06 [Vampire Mariam]: i will scan some of the poster i got from DC....or mabey the handouts.....

2004-06-06 [Scooz]: That will work.

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: yea

2004-06-06 [Vampire Mariam]: wll put them up tonight......

2004-06-06 [Blackshire]: i want to make a banner

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: make one then

2004-06-06 [Scooz]: coolbeans. Is there anything specific you want on them other than the wiki name?

2004-06-06 [Vampire Mariam]: great!! please do!!

2004-06-06 [Blackshire]: ok

2004-06-06 [Vampire Mariam]: and spread the word about this wiki!!!!!!!

2004-06-06 [Blackshire]: how do i upload it on to here

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: lol, or mine... though you don't really support it!

2004-06-06 [Vampire Mariam]: urm.......ask reggeawitch about it.....

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: lol

2004-06-06 [Lethargic Panda]: o.o I'm a guy.

2004-06-06 [Vampire Mariam]: so?

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: lol, but no problem with that

2004-06-06 [Blackshire]: what colours should i use?

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: don't know

2004-06-06 [Vampire Mariam]: um.......red?.....pink?

2004-06-06 [Lethargic Panda]: Muffin person said he was the only guy. O.o

2004-06-06 [Vampire Mariam]: is he? and does it matter?

2004-06-06 [Scooz]: Well you are kinda not a member of this one, aren't you part of the con-choice? Well, either way, guess muffin moon really isn't the only guy now, cuz they are part of the same wiki right? Just on the opposite side.

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: yes, that'sa true... there's 3 guys on the anti-abortion one...

2004-06-06 [Vampire Mariam]: the people who make up these laws banning abortion are old white guys...what is the change of them getting pregnant??

2004-06-06 [Blackshire]: the deed is done

2004-06-06 [Scooz]: Really? WELL THEY DON'T HAVE TO CARRY THE BABIES DO THEY? Syke, they are entitled to their opinion, I mean, they did kinda help make the baby, so they have their say.

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: yes... but for good reasons

2004-06-06 [Blackshire]: how do i put the banner up on here?

2004-06-06 [Blackshire]: dont male sea horses carry their babys?

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: oiy... you put <img:........(your url)>

2004-06-06 [Vampire Mariam]: put what? it did not load........

2004-06-06 [Lethargic Panda]: I think there should be abortions if there is going to be a medical problem, or in rape situations, but as far as people accidentally getting pregnant during sex, it's their own fault. It's one of the risks that comes with sex.

2004-06-06 [Scooz]: Yea what she said. You right click the picture, go to the properties and highlight the web address then paste it but at the beginning you put <img: then at the end you put > like reggaewitch said, but it use to really confuse me

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: lol, yea... sorta

2004-06-06 [Scooz]: Yea I agree, panda that women should not have sex at the risk of getting pregnant if they want an abortion, but there are other conditions outside of the ones you mentioned that I think should be considered too

2004-06-06 [Vampire Mariam]: there should be a better sex-ed program in schools...so people dont make the mistake of having unprotected sex!!

2004-06-06 [Scooz]: Yea cuz in my school they would tell us kids "We are not saying you should not have sex, we are just telling you what can happen if you do" Retards.

2004-06-06 [Lethargic Panda]: They have sex-ed programs in schools that discuss it heavily. I live in a stupid conservative little town and they do lots of that stuff. Sex-ed is almost always something for pregnant teens to put the blame on so they don't have to admit how stupid they were.

2004-06-06 [Blackshire]: mine doesnt have an url

2004-06-06 [Lethargic Panda]: The other problem is the age of kids doing that sort of thing is getting younger and younger, appearing before the sex-ed programs.

2004-06-06 [Vampire Mariam]: grrrr......i am going to this really great sex-ed program...they tell you everthing you will ever need to know!!.put on by a church!!..

2004-06-06 [Scooz]: Yea, it scared me when I moved to Maryland and the highschools here have day care centers. I agree it is pathetic, but teens are not the brightest ppl in the world and some have not been taught any better. I mean it rains apathy here, and some of these girl getting pregnant were not warned about what they were doing.

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: you ahve to put it on a website first... but how far can a school go with sex-ed programs??? you can only do so much

2004-06-06 [Vampire Mariam]: but still! they should do a better job!!

2004-06-06 [Blackshire]: damn it

2004-06-06 [Scooz]: lol problems muffin moon?

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: mine does... and the people who still have sex are the ones who don't listen or are ignorant

2004-06-06 [Blackshire]: i need a website to put this on

2004-06-06 [Lethargic Panda]: At my school, at the end of the semester for freshmen in health, they get the "STD slideshow" which is basically using gross out tactics. It apparently burns itself into your mind for life. I was absent and missed it. ^.^ lol

2004-06-06 [Scooz]: lol, well that was brilliant.

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: intersting... but mine has classes sorta

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: put your pic on www.photobucket.com its free

2004-06-07 [Lethargic Panda]: Well, they actually had no warning for it, because they know kids would just skip. I randomly got lucky and wasn't there the one day. Some kids have to step out of the class because they can't take it. "Oh look, cauliflower..."

2004-06-07 [reggaewitch^_-]: oh yeah... we had to do a paper... no actually huge microsoft slideshow thingy on one contractable disease

2004-06-07 [Scooz]: lol lovely, yea we had that but I think I was better prepared cuz my aunt is a doctor and I have seen some of her autopsies...

2004-06-07 [reggaewitch^_-]: ugh... wouldn't want to see that

2004-06-07 [Vampire Mariam]: why dont they teach the other side of sex? its nice!! and tell the ppl about getting tested and condoms? or so the do?...i homeschooled...

2004-06-07 [Scooz]: Nah, I am use to it. I was raised on that stuff cuz I want to go into forensics...maybe if not a photographer or nightclub owner

2004-06-07 [Scooz]: Your homeschooled? Cheese and Rice, my mom tried to homeschool me in 6th grade but it did not work.

2004-06-07 [Lethargic Panda]: They do talk about safe sex and getting tested a lot...

2004-06-07 [Vampire Mariam]: oiy....i live at a yoga retreat center so its not just me and my mum.....thank god....

2004-06-07 [reggaewitch^_-]: lol... but they do teach how to protect yourself and all but the best way to remain not pregnant is 'abstinence'

2004-06-07 [Vampire Mariam]: do they teach you about sex? or just about stds and protection?

2004-06-07 [reggaewitch^_-]: sorta about sex.. depends though on what kind of idea you have... they say sex is good for marriage

2004-06-07 [Vampire Mariam]: oiy......but not about intercours?...

2004-06-07 [Vampire Mariam]: do they talk about gays and lesbians?

2004-06-07 [reggaewitch^_-]: not really

2004-06-07 [Lethargic Panda]: They have somewhat at my school.

2004-06-07 [Vampire Mariam]: i thought so......grrr......they should teach the O.W.L program...the one i'm going to....very good......

2004-06-07 [reggaewitch^_-]: i bet so

2004-06-07 [Lethargic Panda]: They should just neuter the kids. It'd be more silly that way.

2004-06-07 [Scooz]: lol well neutering kids would not save them from things like AIDs but they would not need abortions

2004-06-07 [reggaewitch^_-]: *laughs* your talking about your own kind!

2004-06-07 [Scooz]: Well I have a bit of an Anti-human attitude anyway. I hope monkeys take over the world by over flowing the peanut butter factories.

2004-06-07 [reggaewitch^_-]: huh?

2004-06-07 [Lethargic Panda]: I'm not being a stupid uneducated slut about it though...so I wouldn't be a candidate for it. O.o

2004-06-07 [Scooz]: So only ppl who have sex and abortions should be neutered? Is that what you mean?

2004-06-07 [Lethargic Panda]: We should use a method...like...people from the future, come back in time...knowing who will want an abortion, and neuter them before it happens!

2004-06-07 [reggaewitch^_-]: oiy, this is started to get offensive

2004-06-07 [Scooz]: Well I agree that there should be methods so that we don't have to use abortions, but do you know how hard that would be? To neuter all those ppl

2004-06-07 [Mitsune]: that is the stupidest thing i've ever heard. The human race would probably die out...

2004-06-07 [Scooz]: Well we are over populating the Earth and carelessly causing other spieces to die out...so maybe that is not such a bad idea, no humans no abortions right? lol, syke

2004-06-07 [reggaewitch^_-]: lol, maybe

2004-06-07 [Mitsune]: meh... I suppose... but still I think abortion should be an option open to everyone... you don't have to get one, but let others have that option... Damned Bush...

2004-06-07 [reggaewitch^_-]: but by letting someone have a nabortion, their basically killing an innocent 30 year old

2004-06-07 [Mitsune]: an innocent 30 year old?

2004-06-07 [Lethargic Panda]: You mean...you don't give birth to 30 year olds?

2004-06-07 [reggaewitch^_-]: oiy, its a metaphor... would you really kill an innocent 30 yr old?

2004-06-07 [Lethargic Panda]: Depends on who really.

2004-06-07 [reggaewitch^_-]: oiy, let's just say their innocent, why would anybody have a reason to kill them? that's just like a baby unborn yet, they have no reason to be killed excpet of medical reasons or the mother doesn't want them...

2004-06-07 [Tidd3]: Oy, I think that's an unfair metaphor. When does the life inside the mother really become a life?

2004-06-07 [Rondel]: Where there is no brain activity, human life is deemed to have ended, so I cannot consider it to have begun when the brain and nervous system have not yet formed and connected. If brain activity determines the presence or absence of human life at the end of life, why not at the beginning?

2004-06-07 [Tidd3]: I agree with you on that one, [Rondel].

2004-06-07 [Tidd3]: -

2004-06-07 [Vampire Mariam]: urm.....could some one make a banner?

2004-06-07 [Sheona]: A very interesting wiki. Perhaps I should tell my story. You are welcome to include it on the wiki. I have had an abortion myself and bitterly regret it. I could give a full lecture against abortion. However, at the end of the day, it was the right thing to do. I suffer from mental illness, and at the time I was not capable of having a child. I would most likel have commited suicide during the pregnancy, killing us both anyway. Assuming I survived, I would be incapable of giving away the child, but equally incapable of looking after it. It most likely would have ended up neglected, with me eventually being put into care myself. I would have ruined many other people's lives.

2004-06-07 [Sheona]: Even more worrying, is that I most likely have neded up on the streets. My parents had already kicked me out, and I barely manage myself. Considering all these factors, it was in fact kinder to the baby that I didn't have it. It's taken me a long time to come to terms with what I did, and it wasn't a choice I made lightly. If it happened again, I certainly wouldn't have an abortion. However, I think there are occassions when it's necessary. And, no matter how much you debate it, you can't truly know how you feel about it unless you've had to make that choice yourself. However, I applaud you for trying to make the world a better place and having the courage to stand up and say your piece. ^_^

2004-06-07 [reggaewitch^_-]: that's a said but heroine story... im sorry that you had to go through that...

2004-06-07 [Scooz]: Hey, when are you gonna post those pic.s? Cuz I looked and the pic.s I found for a banner were not all that great...

2004-06-07 [Nukleopatra]: hi

2004-06-07 [Scooz]: 'ello, you are muffin moon's friend right?

2004-06-07 [Vampire Mariam]: how do i put pics up? helloooooooo

2004-06-07 [Vampire Mariam]: hey ppl!!! how do i put pics up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2004-06-07 [reggaewitch^_-]: you put them up on www.photobucket.com then copy the url and then put <img:then > at the end and post em up in a wiki then add it to here

2004-06-07 [Vampire Mariam]: how do i put pics up?

2004-06-07 [reggaewitch^_-]: oiy, that's how you do it

2004-06-07 [Vampire Mariam]: what?? urm........can i mail you the pics and u do it?

2004-06-07 [reggaewitch^_-]: sure, i'll make you an photobucket accountant

2004-06-07 [Scooz]: Yea, the URL is in the properties of the picture, and you paste the URL on Edit Page and you put the < then "i" then "m" then "g" then : at the beginning of the URL then > at the end of the URL. If you still have problems, you can always email them to me or reggaewitch if she is ok with it, and we can put it up.

2004-06-07 [Vampire Mariam]: great......thanks......

2004-06-07 [reggaewitch^_-]: okay

2004-06-07 [Vampire Mariam]: i sent u the pics

2004-06-07 [reggaewitch^_-]: in yahoo?

2004-06-07 [Vampire Mariam]: yeah

2004-06-07 [Scooz]: Ok, I was wondering, if anyone can help me out? I have started a new wiki, Liquid Corruption. It is a pretty odd wiki and I need some help managing it, or atleast some members so I don't feel like I am wasting my time making it. Anyone interested?

2004-06-07 [Vampire Mariam]: i'll take a look..

2004-06-07 [reggaewitch^_-]: me 2

2004-06-07 [Scooz]: thanx

2004-06-07 [Nukleopatra]: wikis are funfun

2004-06-07 [Scooz]: I agree, and they are a good way to meet ppls here

2004-06-07 [Nukleopatra]: hemophilliac cryptor child

2004-06-08 [Blackshire]: aden i love youuuuu

2004-06-08 [Blackshire]: yes you all must go to my wiki hemophilliac cryptor child

2004-06-08 [Nukleopatra]: we command you

2004-06-08 [Blackshire]: is there anyone here but us right now GAWD?

2004-06-08 [reggaewitch^_-]: i am...

2004-06-08 [Blackshire]: YAY!

2004-06-08 [reggaewitch^_-]: but im against your point of veiw but that's okay!

2004-06-08 [Blackshire]: point of view for what

2004-06-08 [reggaewitch^_-]: abortion...

2004-06-08 [Blackshire]: then why are you here

2004-06-08 [reggaewitch^_-]: i still think about your veiws and i helped with this wiki

2004-06-08 [Blackshire]: ok

2004-06-08 [reggaewitch^_-]: wel the banner anyway...

2004-06-08 [Blackshire]: i made one too

2004-06-08 [reggaewitch^_-]: its nice... i like the purple

2004-06-08 [Blackshire]: thanx

2004-06-08 [Nukleopatra]: pretty

2004-06-09 [Blackshire]: thanx

2004-06-09 [Nukleopatra]: my bologna has a first name... it's o c s a r.... my bologna has a second name it's m a y e r........ i like to eat them every day and if you ask me why i'll say........ because oscar mayer has a way with me b o l o g n a

2004-06-09 [Scooz]: lmao, thas great

2004-06-09 [Nukleopatra]: ohhhh i wish i were an oscar mayer weaner..... that is what i truely want to be..... cause if i were an oscar mayer weaner..... then everyone would be in love with me................

2004-06-09 [Scooz]: lol, I love ya with or without it!

2004-06-10 [Nukleopatra]: thank you i love you too honey

2004-06-10 [Scooz]: *feels loved and gives twisty a hug*

2004-06-10 [Nukleopatra]: =hugs back=

2004-06-10 [Nukleopatra]: hey in the u.s. is abortion currently legal or illegal?

2004-06-10 [Scooz]: Legal but of course there are illegal abortions if you don't have it done at a clinic and I think you are limited on how many abortions you can have

2004-06-10 [Scooz]: Hey Vorpal! What's up buddy?

2004-06-10 [VorpalBlade910]: hehe hey!

2004-06-10 [Scooz]: *bounces on Vorpal's lap, stretches, curls up in her lap, and goes to sleep wagging her tail*

2004-06-10 [VorpalBlade910]: *raises eyebrow*

2004-06-10 [Scooz]: *smiles in her sleep*

2004-06-10 [Nukleopatra]: there is so much love in this wiki

2004-06-10 [Vampire Mariam]: *smiles*

2004-06-10 [Nukleopatra]: i feel fuzzy and warm inside like after you take clothes out of the dryer and put them on immediately

2004-06-10 [Vampire Mariam]: that feels great.......if you dont have zippers......

2004-06-10 [Nukleopatra]: zippers tastes funfun

2004-06-10 [VorpalBlade910]: lol those hurt! defiently if the zipper is hot....anways....*pats scooz*

2004-06-10 [Nukleopatra]: i'm sleepy

2004-06-10 [Nukleopatra]: what is PC pics for?

2004-06-10 [Scooz]: *purrs* (PC pic. are pictures for this wiki, I had asked for some pic.s so I could make some banners)

2004-06-10 [Nukleopatra]: ohhhhh!!!

2004-06-10 [Scooz]: lol...*hides in corner*

2004-06-10 [Nukleopatra]: oh alrighty. don't hide my dear. there is nothing to hide from except all the squirrels on my house's desription.

2004-06-10 [reggaewitch^_-]: you guys should go to the pictures, i put up mariams pics

2004-06-10 [Nukleopatra]: go to my house and see the squirrels

2004-06-10 [Scooz]: ok...*inches out of corner*

2004-06-10 [reggaewitch^_-]: lol

2004-06-10 [Scooz]: omg what are you doing w/ all those squirrels in your house?

2004-06-10 [reggaewitch^_-]: hmmm

2004-06-10 [Nukleopatra]: hahahahaha SQUIRREL!

2004-06-10 [Scooz]: They are considered a meal where I live, lol. Too many rednecks and hicks aorund here.

2004-06-10 [reggaewitch^_-]: oiy

2004-06-10 [Nukleopatra]: hey have you see that thing on the news where they were talking about how they put a female mouse's dna into an egg cell of another females mouse, and then they had a baby somehow, a baby composed of two mothers, that was awesome

2004-06-10 [Scooz]: Really? wow...thas odd. But that would be cool if it works cuz if ppl ever get over the fact that there are gay ppl in the world, not only could they get married but they could have kids. Cuz one of my uncles is gay and when he got married, him and his...husband/wife wanted children so they had my uncle's female best friend give birth to a child for each of them...turned out kinda wierd, but they are happy. But if this works, then it will make it a lot easier on ppl like my uncle's best friend, lol...but that just my point of view...